51 - Lurker's Paradise [SPOILER]

[HeymlicH]

Aber trotzdem würde ich bei einem Krieg um diese Zeit rum dann vermutlich eher mit SK, Katas, Triboks, etc angreifen als mit Rittern...

Ich auch. Ich bevorzuge die langsam-aber-gründlich-Methode Ich erforsche auch nie Kavallerie sondern gehe auf Schützen und Kanonen. Das ändert sich erst mit Panzern

[Frozen]

Ritter sind schon toll, wenn die Gegner keine haben

Im 83er? habe ich mit Rittern gegen 4? Nationen gespielt, die gemeinsam deutlich mehr Militär als ich hatten.
Überraschungseffekte wie Angriffe aus dem Nebel mit MB können sehr effektiv sein.

Überraschst du jemanden im middlegame mit Axt/Kata/SK was auch immer, dann bekommst du 1-2 Grenzsstädte, bevor es in einen Sitzkrieg übergeht, wenn man nicht selbst total überlegen ist.
Mit Rittern kann bis dahin schon der Krieg entschieden sein.

[Empirate]

Berittenen- vs. Nahkämpfer-Armee aufstellen:
Wenn's der erste Krieg ist (man noch keine Generäle angesiedelt hat), können BBS durch Ställe zumindest etwas rausreißen. Die zusätzliche Beförderung ist gegen antike Armeen schon sehr nett (leider kein CR...). Ritter profitieren davon natürlich weniger, da man vermutlich in Vasallentum sein wird. Dafür man kann in späteren Kriegen (Ritter, Küras, Kavs) wenigstens ältere Berittene vorbauen und nach Gilden-/MilTrad-Forschung als das neue, verbesserte Modell ausspucken lassen, das bringt pro Stadt schonmal einen Soldaten mehr in den Sattel.

Taktik:
Hat das eigentlich mal einer im PB ausprobiert, mit BBS oder Rittern einfach die Grenzstädte links liegen zu lassen und direkt auf die zwei, drei Kernstädte zu gehen? Auf dem Papier sieht das nach nem guten Plan aus, aber ich kann mir nicht recht vorstellen, wie es in der Praxis funktioniert?

[shade]

Gottheit bringt natürlich auch mehr Probleme mit der Zufriedenheitsgrenze, das ist bei König auch nochmal etwas leichter...

Dachte zwar auch, dass das so ist, allerdings sah man schon auf den Bildern bei Ramk am Anfang, dass er auch nur 5 in der HS hat. Hab dann nochmal nachgeschaut und tatsächlich hat man nur auf den ersten beiden Schwierigkeitsstufen einen Zufriedenheitsbonus.

[HeymlicH]

In meinen Spielen bedeutet +1 einfach, dass ich einmal mehr die Peitsche benutzen kann. Deshalb bin ich auch der Meinung, dass im RB-Forum Charisma stark unterschätzt ist. Gerade auf den üppigen RB-Karten ist CHA stark.

[ito]

Hope is ok to write something in english.

RB decided as well as here some 8-9 years ago if not earlier that fin its too strong, so he was either banned or got all kind of restriction.But banning fin created other problems as some combo were too strong as well and there people prefer to play unrestricted leaders , which i find is very nice.

Your solution was to play the game on deity so the tech pace to be slow, at Rb the solution was a mod which makes techs more expensives and make traits more equal(which again is real nice, because is nearly having a new game on hand but that game respects the rule of the game you played before). Therefor fin was serious nerferted as well as cresativ or exp and pro or cha got some serious buffs.

If i remember right i think wahli profi was on german team on Isdg and there i think Rb proved there that are very strong players and not some people which dont know what they were doing.

As about the slow arma of cats and axes marching was tryed by people at rb as well but every single time failed becasue the maps used there are richier and people have more happines can slave more and going from a city to other is a no no.

About this game , I dont think is fair to judge the performance of RBers or the rules after this. From what I read(I used google translate) Plemo is top 3 on this site an got even a start bonus against players which are not even in first 20 at Rb. I realy think he should said he won 2 pitboses on which were many players involved.

[Suite]

Yes, he probably should in hindsight, but it would've been not very humble to do so. But I don't think it's fair to hand out unbalancend starting positions based on percepted power level of the players. Then again, Giraflorens is probably the weakest player here but got almost no riverland. This is a really bad joke in my opinion, if you look at the flood plain fiesta of EG, who is a strong player, had horses as Egypt very conveninently around the block and nobody got copper in the FC so the WC rush was not defendable.

The RB-solution of modding is fine on its own, but this game is an unmodded one. So you can't remove one "solution" of a known problem and on the other hand allow Fin-civs. Together with the very low difficulty (landscape and Monarch) it leads to a game, where the two, three stronger players grab all bonuses very rapidly.

[Hagen0]

I think the point is that Plemo shouldn't play in this particular PB as it was meant for weaker players/beginners.

[ito]

Exactly. Or tell about his skill and see if other accept. About fins in this game there is hannibal as well or even lizzy if you wanted on wank kong so there were enough options.

[Empirate]

Yes, he probably should in hindsight, but it would've been not very humble to do so.

Nah. He definitely should've. That was pretty close to trolling by Plemo.

[Suite]

But it wasn't explicitly announced as a greens PB. That was the original idea, but there were many other experienced players in as well, way before Plemo signed.

[ito]

Some players remain green even after playing 10- 15 years.

[HeymlicH]

Plemo has only played 2 PB so far, I think. So he is a newcomer, just a very strong one. I do not think he was aware of the bonus for newcomers thing, otherwise he would sure have said something about it.

[ausgetreten]

i think Rb proved there that are very strong players and not some people which dont know what they were doing.

Ramkhamhaeng and Plemo are really doing well at RB, yeah.

[ito]

Very good .I would enjoy if Plemo will like the place and stay.Ram already have done alot for comunity and he is greatly apreaciated.