We did "agree" in allowing cash in crawlers, just upgrading befor is still forbidden - or at least i think so.
Some things should be obviuos. In case someone starts picking my workers through F4-Manager i will simply quit playing. Well, but thats not very likely.
There are open questions though and stockpile Energy may be one. I dont know anything about trading without having met.
Right, I remember that.Zitat von ComCitCat
I would like to clarify the other points too. Both give large advantages if you can them and others do not. Regarding the trading, I had contact to all human factions from the first turn. To my knowledge, that's a common bug in Smax multiplay. Don't you have contact to the other human factions as well?
I am quite shure that i don't...
About Stockpile Energy and other bugs I would prefer not to allow them, as they are not intended in the game and get the game off balance. Also, I do not know this bugs as I always played fair single games, and just learned about the bugs in the Internet forums here and have to read about them (and often don't understand their use or effects at all).
Boa der Zufallsgenerator verarscht mich gerade wieder ... ich darf nix erforschen nur müll was ich gerade nicht brauchen kann.
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Wenn's nur der Zufallsgenerator wäre
Ich wollte damit eigentlich warten, bis dass andere Pbem durch ist:
Die Techauswahl von Smac ist nicht zufällig und sie lässt sich manipulieren. Die angebotenen Techs hängen im wesentlichen davon ab, wie viele man schon hat.
Sei n die Anzahl der bereits bekannten Techs ist und m die Position der gewünschten Tech in der alphax.txt. So kann man die Technologie nicht erforschen, falls n+o=m mod 3 ist, anderenfalls schon. Dabei hängt o von der Anzahl der Starttechnologien und Position der eigenen Fraktion (1-7) ab. Müsste ich nachsehen, wie o genau aussieht.
Musst du das jetzt sagen???
Achtung Spoiler:
One important aspect is that u cant rly tell all the time wether its bug or feature. Sensors on bases for example. They are quite common but being invincible (without destroying the base) is probably not intended. Probably.
And even if so it's just a minor bug, and a nice feature else...
Can we agree on this list as forbidden?
And this one as allowed?
That would be a start.
In addition i would put contacting Factions one did not met yet on the first list.
Anyway here is the save...
I would agree.
I'm fine with this.
Ill ask Darkside to help me translate the rules, but from the first glance at it I'd say its ok.
Never have heard of that bug before, also I sure as hell do not have contact to all. And I didnt have contact to u until I found u either. So ure Contacts are singel directions. I would say u are forbidden to use them until u actually found someone. (Espechially since otherwise Rose will benefit extremly from that since she will get basically all early techs for free immideately)I would like to clarify the other points too. Both give large advantages if you can them and others do not. Regarding the trading, I had contact to all human factions from the first turn. To my knowledge, that's a common bug in Smax multiplay. Don't you have contact to the other human factions as well?
If Rose has the same Bug I vote for restart ...
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Geändert von Eric-tRed (11. August 2011 um 10:19 Uhr)
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Some more questions/comments about rules:
Is reverse engineering of probe teams allowed? Ussually people don't allow this.
I would strongly urge to forbid workshop upgrades of units and then attacking with them in the same turn.
(Sorry, that I'm so insistent about this. But it is better to clarify any issues now, instead of arguing about them when it's too late.)
I simply don't understand this one. How can one use probeteams for retroengineering. One cannot buy them. And even if so, where is the difference to normal units?
Why?I would strongly urge to forbid workshop upgrades of units and then attacking with them in the same turn.
@Eric-tRed
Sorry about not translating the rules. That was a bit mindless.
Here my personal translation. Be warned it's not literally. Therefor it cannot hurt to discuss the translation with darkside anyway.
forbidden is:
- raising a base by using colonypods over the current hablimit
- manipulating bases of another faction via datalinks
- relocating the homebase of units to a base of an ally
- multiple airdrops via right-click menue
(one can never achieve multiple airdrops while using "i" as order)
- using rockets via right-click menue
- using artillerie from transports via righ-click menue
- adding "save energy" in the assambly list after building units
(note this is a bug which creates energy as if one did nothing else than saving energy although one did use the minerals for something else. Also additional minerals will be moved to the next project although they helped to create energy. This bug is not really serious but requires a lot of micromanagement with little knowlegde. Agreeing in not using this would save me quite some time in the first place.
On the other hand u should know that this happens after building basefacilities or secret projects wether one did add "save energy" to the assamblyline or not, but it does NOT happen if one puts anything else there. So it's a bad idea to add something after building recreation centers, rectanks or whatever.
We could avoid this just by adding something to the list after building facilities. But it tends to be a lot extra work for everyone.)
- creating elite units by setting 3 waypoints
- multiple changes of SE in the same category and turn
exception: its allowed if one does not do any changes in between but wants to see what they would do.
- upgrading crawlers when hurrying a prototype or secret project
I'ld tend to interprete this that it is generally forbidden using crawlers in that way which have been upgraded already. But it should be allowed to build more expensive crawlers and use them.
allowed is:
- using modules or chassis that one did not researched but cotrols only via some unit (both buyed or presented by an ally) (this is called retroengineering)
- giving crawlers the harvest order although they don't have any movement left
- upgrading units anytime via workshop
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Deutsch:
Bin dafür das mit den normalen Ligaregeln spielen und nur das pushen von Projecten per Crawler erlauben (die nicht aufgerüstet werden dürfen). Danke übrigens mit dem tip und der Alphax.txt leider ist es jetzt eh schon zu spät.
@Hagen0 du hast schon mit allen Kontakt? Ich kenn keinen, hab auch noch nie von soeinem bug gehört. Haben noch mehr leute diesen Bug? Ich schließe mich Eric an, wenn Roze den Bug auch hat sollten wir neu starten. Ansonsten alle die den Bug haben dürfen nur verbindungen nutzen die sie auch wirklich gefunden haben.
Swedish:
Jag tänker at vi ska spelar med den Ligaregeln. (Den regelna CCC har översätter för dig). Du få tar "Crawler" för at bygg "Wonders" snabbare, men du inte få "upgrade" den framför.
Jag tror samma som du om det problem med fehl Hagen0 har.
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