Sengoku Jidai PBEM

[Cobra]

I prefer a period of peace

[Karlheinz]

Ich bin ja nun schon im Krieg. Wird Jerec denn auf einen Gegenschlag verzichten wollen? Und wie lange soll Frieden sein?

[Historical Atze]

I am against a period of peace. We could weaken the Daimyo though.

[Eurisko]

Karlheinz, falls wir eine neue Regelung abmachen wird natuerlich neu gezogen, da die Runden aber sehr kurz sind und wir erst bei Runde 2 sind sollte das aber kein Problem sein.

As for a weaker daimyo... it is a possibility, but how much weaker?

[Karlheinz]

Den Daimyo würde ich nicht schwächer machen. Das macht doch den ganz besonderen Reiz dieses Scens aus. Du hast eine richtig starke Figur, aber must wahnsinnig aufpassen in keine Falle zu tappen.

[Eurisko]

Den Daimyo würde ich nicht schwächer machen. Das macht doch den ganz besonderen Reiz dieses Scens aus. Du hast eine richtig starke Figur, aber must wahnsinnig aufpassen in keine Falle zu tappen.

Ja, und da liegt das Problem. Der Daimyo soll ja stark sein, ist er auch, aber anfangs haben alle nur wenige und sehr schlechte Einheiten, und dadurch ist der Daimyo unproportional stark. Er ist keine starke Figur sondern die Faust Gottes, eine unaufhaltbare Dampfwalze welche alles in ihrem Weg plattwalzt. Das einzige was den Daimyo im Moment aufhalten koennte ist ein anderer Daimyo, aber dann stellt sich wieder das Problem, dass der Verlierer dieser Auseinandersetzung quasi gleich das PBEM verlassen kann.

Ich weiss zwar nicht wie ihr das seht, aber eine saustarke Figur von A nach B nach C und so weiter ziehen macht kaum Spass, oder?

Daher denke ich, dass wir ein Paar Runden Frieden haben sollten, damit man sich auf den Daimyo vorbereiten kann. Oder der Daimyo sollte nur defensiv benutzt werden koennen fuer eine gewisse Zeit, das ginge auch.

[Karlheinz]

Was haltet ihr denn von dem Vorschlag jedem Spieler sagen wir mal 2000 Gold zukommen zu lassen um sich mit deutlich mehr Einheiten wehren zu können. Dazu 5 Runden Frieden um das Gold in bessere Einheiten stecken zu können.

[Jerec]

1) I am against banning sneak attacks. That's what makes wars fun.

2) Chikugo. It's called the Age of War Karlheinz, no need to apologize!

3) Daimyos. Yes, they are strong right now. But later in the game, they take a back seat to Naginatas, Ninjas, and Heavy Cavalry. And Daimyos early in the game are always vulnerable to ninjas out in the open.

Karlheinz- You're welcome to Chikugo. I'll take Buzen in return, that Yari Samurai on the hills won't be a problem for my Daimyo.

EDIT: What did Karlheinz say in his last post? I couldn't understand the translation.

[Eurisko]

3) Daimyos. Yes, they are strong right now. But later in the game, they take a back seat to Naginatas, Ninjas, and Heavy Cavalry. And Daimyos early in the game are always vulnerable to ninjas out in the open.

Yes, but who will actually get to see the "later" part of the game?

The 2 or 3 civs who managed to keep their daimyos alive while everybody else got killed off in the first 10 turns?

The problem is the daimyo's strength now, later he is quite manageable and balanced, but right now speaking in vanilla Civ 2 terms it's like pitting a tank against warriors and phalanges.

Edit: KH suggested that players be given 2k gold at the beginning and a 5 turn peace time for people to prepare.

[McMonkey]

Although I am a little reluctant to restart now that I have shown my hand I would rather play in a game that everyone else can enjoy. If the current setup is too lopsided then I think we should make some changes and restart.

I think the stats should stay the same. We should all get +2000 gold to build some units and a period of peace should be agreed upon before we start fighting. Currently the first few players to move have a huge advantage over their enemies.

Better to restart now after one round of turns that try and persist with a game where half the players are handicapped from turn 1!

Sneak attacks should be allowed once the allotted turns of peace have expired!

[Eurisko]

Ok, so x turns of peace and +2k gold it is, then?

[Karlheinz]

Ok, so x turns of peace and +2k gold it is, then?

+2k OK
and how many turns peace? 5?

[McMonkey]

Should we be allowed to go to war with the Ronin during the peace period?

[Karlheinz]

Should we be allowed to go to war with the Ronin during the peace period?

No

[Historical Atze]

I am totally against restarting. There are clans which start weak but have a great potential and there are clans which start strong but have to fight early to gain potential. This was intended that way by the scenario creator. If we install a 5 turn peace period AND give everyone 2000 gold the balance of this scenario will shift greatly to the favor of the clans with great potential and weak starting position.

Anyone who wants a long period of peace should better play Belle Epoque or Colonialism. I will be frank, if we restart under these conditions I am out.