Zeittafel (Timeline)

[bongo]

I've been browsing through some old threads and have collected some info regarding our campaign into a 'timeline' (feel free to suggest a german word for it )

It mostly deals with military stuff, if you see something wrong or want some added, please let me know.


620
Neta attacked our army again, killing 1 pike and wounded another. Neta losses unknown.
Floralpark captured after catapult bombardment and attacks from multiple directions.
Orlando and Tois-Rivieres were captured afterwards and Hannibal was razed.
Our losses, 3 ansars and 8 medinfs, we captured 2 catas and 5 workers.
Neta lost 7 muskets, 8 knights, 2 catas, a longbowman and a leader.
Statistical survey beginning of turn
GWT: 717c - 234s
#2: 490-486c - 177s
#3: 332-325c - 141s
#4: 214-193c - 72s
After attacks # 3 had fallen below 90s

610
Neta attacked our army, killing 3 pikes and wounded 2, Neta losses unknown.
Siege of Floralpark begins
17 catapults bombards with little effect one hp knocked off a musketman but barracks were destroyed
Arlington captured without losses, one neta musket killed
Further attacks on Floralpark postponed until next turn, the smaller force that took Arlington cover in the city to help the main stack next turn.
Barb horseman killed

600ad
Main stack moves south, ready for an attack at Floralpark next turn. A smaller group of ansars has gathered around April 1st for an attack against Arlington.
More upgrades
One barb warrior killed

590ad
Orlando returned to neta. Apolyton held it for 4(?) turns.
Leonardos Workshop finished in Flammburg
Large stack pauses, smaller stack joins with it. Many upgrades
Limited Statistical survey beginning of turn
We're #1 with GNP=699c and Mfg=233s
#2= 430c and 152s (poly?)
#3= 340c and 141s (Neta?)

580ad
Neta killed 2 ansars. A total of 12 workers are now gifted to apolyton.
We killed 2 neta Knights after catapult bombardment Main stack moves south, leavs smaller stack behind to cover catas.

570ad
GCA captured waterloo
Neta killed 3 of our exposed ansars and destroyed roads SW of waterloo
We killed 1 knight and one medinf. Little fighting going on due to large amounts of wounded ansars. Main army moves south, closing in on 'Floral Park'.

560ad
Neta has attacked and killed 5 of our exposed ansars, 4(?) were elite
We counterattacked them of course and killed 6* knights, 4 medinfs, 4 pikes, 1 horseman, 1 musket and 1 warrior. We also destroyed 'Saugus', a size1 town. We lost 4 ansars. Many (10?) were left out in the open.
We have discovered gunpowder. Two sources within our territory, both unconnected.
Apolyton has disbanded northern canal city(?) (which we didn't discover until 580ad)
*First count showed 5 dead knights, it was 6

550ad
Neta has given up sevenoaks(?), pillaged further roads in the area. Also gifted Orlando to Apolyton.
Neta losses, 1 musket, 5 knights, 1 horseman, 1 galley (1 horse+settler onboard?), renewed castle destroyed. We had no losses but ended with several exposed units.
We got a Great Leader
Apolyton has made a palace jump. New capitol now in 'Apolyton Prime', FP most likely in 'Karina'. Their mfg increased from 113s to 141s!
Statistical survey, update, beginning of turn.
Us: 632c 222s
Poly(!) 141s
Neta: 132s, 131s after destruction of 'Renewed Castle'

540ad
Unknown neta city disbanded. 4 galleys and a horseman killed. Army moved into position to go after sevenoaks(?)
Limited Statistical survey beginning of turn
We're #1 with GNP=641c and Mfg=218s
#2= 382c and 147s
#3= 368c and 116s

530
Columbus disbanded, roads pillaged in front of our stack, one musket+one horseman bombarded and killed. 4 galleys redlined with catapults. Ansar stack(18) sent to gold-mountain.

520
Neta has built a city on horse-hill S,SE of '1.april', Ansar stack sent W-W of '1.april' with pike cover. Slow stack moved into '1.april' to heal.

510
Neta has attacked stack and lone ansar. We lost 3 pikes, one got promoted and the ansar retreated. Neta lost minimum 3 units(med.infs.) Scout killed outside waterloo.
Perris captured, renamed to '1.april', netas losses:12 muskets,7 pikes, 3+1 med.infs, 1 warrior. Our losses, 10 med.infs, 3 ansars.
Wounded ansars + some pikes moved into city.
Statistical survey beginning of turn.
We're #1 with GNP=599c and Mfg=205s
#2= 432c and 150s , dropped to 415c and 149s when we took Perris.
#3= 345c and 113s
#4= 173c and 60s

500
Large stack moved in position to attack Perris
Zweimeerblicke founded to guard waterloo.

490
Ansar scout killed by Neta med.inf, med.inf killed by ansar.
Large stack moved onto road network by agincourt

480
We lost two galleys to Neta.
Agincourt captured, neta losses;2 muskets, 13 knights, 1 warrior and 2 catapults. Our losses, 13 ansars. One ansar sent west to cut road.

470
30 ansars+pike cover in position for an attack on agincourt

460
Neta Got Gunpowder(?)
GWS Haimat attacked and promoted, neta lost at least 2 galleys.
Ansars and stack moves south, ansars ahead, pikes transported to the front with galleys

450
Apolyton disbands both cities.
Army moves south.

440
Neta Jump Out of Boston!
Neta has given Boston and el-amarna to Apolyton, jumping all units back to Århus. Attacked 9 of our ansars with med.infs first, 4 died, 5 retreated. Neta medinf left in the open promptly put to sleep.

430
Neta leave boston with 10 knights, we kill all and lose 5 ansars. Slow stack moved close to boston

420
New Castle(CGN) disbanded, troops within cover in boston. All streets in the area has been destroyed.
'Hi Guys'(GWT) founded.

410
Neta got invention. Army moves south.

400
Army moves south
Neta has started to destroy the roads around boston.

390
Army moves south, netas spy retreat to safety.

380
Our army starts moving. GCA can for the first time see the army we built during our GA

[bongo]

Limited Statistical survey beginning of turn 540AD
We're #1 with GNP=641c and Mfg=218s
#2= 382c and 147s
#3= 368c and 116s

Note that Poly is soon catching up with Neta. Netas number has in reality dropped less than it seems as the two cities they disbanded had high corruption.

[zerialienguru]

Zur Produktion: Das täuscht, Neta hat direkt neben die Hauptstadt eine neue Stadt gesetzt, die bringt ein Schild für das Stadtfeld + 2 durch eine Bonuswiese = 3 Schilde.
Außerdem noch die neue Stadt bei April, +1 Schild.

Zusätzlich wissen wir nicht, ob nicht irgendwelche Städte gewachsen sind. Columbus hatte mehr Kultur als Webringen, daher muss die Stadt einiges produziert haben, ich glaube nicht, dass Neta die Kulturgebäude in der Stadt gekauft oder gerusht hat.

Abwarten, wie es nä. Runde aussieht, wenn Neta die Kulturstadt im Südenabgefackelt hat oder wir die Stadt angreifen und hoffentlich einnehmen.

[bongo]

..oder wir die Stadt angreifen und hoffentlich einnehmen.

We're going to burn them, BURN!!


We can safely assume that all knights available were inside agincourt when we attacked. Any knights they have today has either been built after that, or were too far away to reach agincourt in time.

How many knights can they have? With 150s per turn for 6 turns they have ~900shields available, that's 12 knights or 30 horsies. At some time they started to cut the iron for faster knight-building(anyone remember when we first saw this?). Problem is, upgrading 30 horses to knights cost 30*80=2400g. We also know that they have upgraded at least 17-18 pikes to musketmen after the fall of agincourt. That's another 18*60=1080g.

How much cash do they have available? They discovered gunpowder in 5 turns, that's about (1152/5)230g per turn. I can only guess that Poly got something similar(200g?) and CFC even less(100g?). A total possible income of 500g per turn, pretty impressive but then ALL 3 of them would have to stop research completely. Not to mention that CFC and Poly may be a bit reluctant to committing their entire economy into supporting neta.

Worst case, it is possible for neta to have built and upgraded ~25 horsemen after agincourt. They have the capacity for another 4-5 knights per turn.


Question is, how do we react to this possible threat?
The answer is more pikes. 25 knights is not enough to take out our entire stack, but it will be enough to remove the pike escort and take a serious bite out of our ansars/medinfs. It will not be a total disaster but will force us to retreat to save our catas and remaining ansars. I think the time has come now to pull in our reserves. We have some pikes/spearmen scattered around our empire, we should send them to the front starting next turn and replace them with freshly built units when they become available.

[Sipahi]

Abwarten, wie es nä. Runde aussieht, wenn Neta die Kulturstadt im Südenabgefackelt hat oder wir die Stadt angreifen und hoffentlich einnehmen.

Die werden die Stadt nicht abfackeln. Die Stadt können wir auch vor zwei Runden nicht angreifen wenn wir die Pikes immer mitnehmen wollen, weil sie eine hochkulturstadt ist. Da werden mindestens zwei Felder bis Stadtkern im feindlichen Kulturkreis liegen. Nur als info.

[bongo]

We can take it next turn with ansars, burn it, and pull the ansars back under stack protection.. I don't know how smart it will be though. We'll see next turn how strong the defence is...

[Sipahi]

Wir müssen schauen. Die stadt gründen dann einfach schauen. Ich glaube, trotz eigener Stadt ohne straßen die Ansaren nicht in Sicherheit gebracht werden können.
Edit: Außerdem werden die selbstverständlich di Straßen die wir benützen könnten auch trennen. Wären dumm wenn sie es nicht täten.

[bongo]

Depends on where the city is. If it is located where I think it is, our ansars can attack but will be left standing outside the city. If we build the city on the hill, our ansars will save one mp but more important, our stack can follow to cover them.


Honestly, I don't have any clue on how dangerous neta are to us now(read: how many knights) but I believe that the best approach is to just continue attacking them, killing their units as they build them and take the cities as we go.

[Sipahi]

Ich glaube die Stadt liegt da

[bongo]

Hm, or maybe one tile SO....we'll see next turn


Just remembered, we got 5 pikes in zweimeerblicke, should we give the city to GCA so we can send our pikes to the front? I believe they are strong enough to hold it. They got a nice bunch of pikes(2+4?) there. We will get the benefit of releasing those 5 pikes(I would love to get them to the front), we can still come to the rescue with our ansars if Neta takes the city. We can take waterloo from the south later after we have burnt Netas core cities We can bombard on our turn and let GCA attack with elephants on their turn to trigger their GA

[bongo]

Just chatted with lucky, they will be happy to defend Zweimeerblicke, they got ~8pikes and 4 horsies in the area. We can always send them some cash later to rush city walls...after we are done with gunpowder of course.

[Candrian]

Dann sollten wir das nächste Runde machen, je eher desto besser.

[zerialienguru]

Ja, Zweimeeresblick an GCA ist ne gute Idee.
Was mir noch eingefallen ist: Statt Agincourt an GCA zu verschenken, können wir die Stadt auch auflösen und ein Feld weiter neu gründen, dann ist der Durchgang nicht mehr blockiert.
Neu gründen ist wegen dem Wein nötig.
Einziger Nachteil: Kaserne ist weg...

@Unbekannte Stadt
Die hat einen Kulturradius der Stufe 3 (100-999), daher wird sie, wie bongo vermutet, ein Feld südöstlich des roten Punktes liegen, anders lassen sich die Kulturzacken bei unserem Stack nicht erklären.
Ich bin übrigens für einnehmen, Gebäude verkaufen und dann razen, falls das die gleichen Auswirkungen hat wir gleich razen

[Sipahi]

Ich bin übrigens für einnehmen, Gebäude verkaufen und dann razen, falls das die gleichen Auswirkungen hat wir gleich razen

Wenn ich mich nicht irre gleich razen hat eine erhöhtere Unzufriedenstellende Wirkung in NETA-Reich

[bongo]

One argument *against* disbanding cervoise: There are unhappy citizens there, they will transfer to some other part of our empire...

I'm not saying we shouldn't do it...just that we want to look out for the negative side-effects.